Ep. 8: Connection and Spiritual Depth with Michael Gay
The BrassBalls TenderHeart Podcast · Episode 8 · Originally released January 24, 2026 · 45 min
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About this episode
Counselor Michael Gay shares how he found his way into men’s work through spirituality, psychology and wilderness therapy, along with influences like Robert Bly.
He and Bryce talk about reclaiming both fierceness and vulnerability, the isolation of modern life, and why meaningful relationships are essential to healing.
Key takeaways
- Men’s work draws on both spirituality and psychology.
- Men can reclaim fierceness and vulnerability at the same time.
- Modern life isolates men, and that isolation takes a toll.
- Healing happens in relationship.
About Michael Gay
Michael Gay is a counselor with a background in wilderness therapy and men’s work.
Doing this work yourself?
Bryce Giron Mathern, LPC, works with men, dads and couples in Denver. If this episode hit home, start here:
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